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Do You Believe...  

MunchkinMatron2

6/15/2008 3:28 am
...that your life is shaped by:
Destiny
Free will
I can't even figure out how to program my DVD player and you're asking me THIS???


I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.
agag_00_back
2518 posts 

6/15/2008 6:41 am

Hard to vote. There are destiny factors such as the family,the nationality, the race, and the looking that one is doomed to bear upon his/her birth. Free will definitely plays an important role as well when one is old enough to make his/her own decisions about life independently.

But alas, I do have a problem with programming my DVD player, so I might as well vote for the last one.

flamekeeper
3075 posts 

6/15/2008 7:36 am

I think my life is shaped by my thoughts, emotions and beliefs.
The action or inaction the above influence also influence my life.

midnight_daisy
2234 posts 

6/15/2008 7:49 am

It's shaped by free will, unfortunately it's not MY will that's doing the shaping right now.

Still, I sorta made my bed and am lying in it... But beds are made for laying, I always say.

Cheers!

Mistytraveller
16562 posts 

6/15/2008 8:04 am

The western judicial system is based on free will--though lawyers will sometimes argue exactly what Agnes has brought out: family, nationality etc. particularly when dealing with juveniles.

When I deal with assessment, I deal with what is in front of me--knowing full well it is a snapshot--a moment in time and does not represent the whole picture--just a fragment of the picture. Often, teachers will say to me: but s/he has a horrible life, etc.

I know that poverty and neglect has a huge impact on student performance and on the choices available to students--but I also know they do have choices and decisions.

Wishing you happiness

Misty

toneboney
8708 posts 

6/15/2008 12:20 pm

What happened to the option... My life is shaped by a Woman???

Tone.

toneboney
8708 posts 

6/15/2008 2:24 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    My life is shaped by one of those old plastic jelly molds.

    Currently it's in the shape of a rabbit.

Tone.

goodtogo7
1749 posts 

6/15/2008 3:57 pm

Hi Ana,

I think it is a combination of many things. We get blindsided in life when we least expect it, things happen that we have no control over, nature does it's own thing (this year is a good example, I have my heat on today). We do have free will to make choices, but, many times, those choices involve other people and they can change their minds which affects us. So, it comes down to "What do I know???

I can program a video recorder though.

Same ole, same ole in my world. I wonder if it is fate or incompetence or both? I will be back and active in the blogs at some point.

I miss you sweet lady, Ana. You are a wonderful friend

Hugs

Love



Every survival kit should include sense of humor

shiva7585
897 posts 

6/15/2008 6:21 pm

I think the sort of "destiny" described by Agnes might be more precisely referred as the cultural and socio-economic circumstances that a person is born into. I definitely agree that these are important factors in a person's life.

But what I really disagree with is when someone views life through the lens of "predestination." In other words, they believe the course of their existence has already been determined by a Higher Power and that they are simply a helpless vessel going through the motions.

Of course, your decisions, your circumstances and even dumb luck play in a role in what happens to you. But, in the end, you have to take responsibility and not use the cop-out of it being your "destiny". That's what I believe anyway.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:01 pm

    Quoting agag_00_back:
    Hard to vote. There are destiny factors such as the family,the nationality, the race, and the looking that one is doomed to bear upon his/her birth. Free will definitely plays an important role as well when one is old enough to make his/her own decisions about life independently.

    But alas, I do have a problem with programming my DVD player, so I might as well vote for the last one.
Same here--I always did wonder about this. If we have free will, when does it start? We never have the capacity to choose when, where and how we would be born in the first place, so when do we get free will handed to us?

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:05 pm

    Quoting beta34:
    I voted in free will, because so I would like it to be ... just that I am getting old and slowly suspecting that is not only that. Oh well

    what makes you suddenly wonder about this
Filipinos are great believers in Fatalism, beta. The term "bahala na"[/i} or, loosely translated, meaning, "whatever happens" is deeply ingrained in our psyche, and most of us also believe everything that happens to us is the will of God.

I don't buy it though. But then it makes me think--which parts of our lives do we really have free will over? Our births and deaths and predestined, and sometimes, no matter what you do, you lose control over how your life goes, as if (as you were saying in your blog) Life is playing you a big cosmic joke.

I mean, I do have free will, but I still can't program the dang VCR.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:08 pm

    Quoting DirtyDingusMagee:
    Gave up on the DVD player long time ago...moved on to my cell phone

    DDM


    I'm a believer in free will.
Exercise in Free Will Number 145:

Handing over the gummis, asap.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:09 pm

    Quoting flamekeeper:
    I think my life is shaped by my thoughts, emotions and beliefs.
    The action or inaction the above influence also influence my life.
So you don't think Fate played any role whatsoever in the life you have now?

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:11 pm

    Quoting midnight_daisy:
    It's shaped by free will, unfortunately it's not MY will that's doing the shaping right now.

    Still, I sorta made my bed and am lying in it... But beds are made for laying, I always say.
It's a battlefield of free wills in this household these days, too.

Eldest: It's my turn on the Wii!!!
Youngest: It's my turn!!!
(Scuffling noises while they fight over the remote)
Me, controlling my boys' destiny: Drop that thing NOW and into your corners at the count of THREE!!! ONE!!!!

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:15 pm

    Quoting Mistytraveller:
    The western judicial system is based on free will--though lawyers will sometimes argue exactly what Agnes has brought out: family, nationality etc. particularly when dealing with juveniles.

    When I deal with assessment, I deal with what is in front of me--knowing full well it is a snapshot--a moment in time and does not represent the whole picture--just a fragment of the picture. Often, teachers will say to me: but s/he has a horrible life, etc.

    I know that poverty and neglect has a huge impact on student performance and on the choices available to students--but I also know they do have choices and decisions.
I've often wondered why two people who have had practically the same upbringing--say, both mired in poverty, with violence in the household--can grow up differently. Is it merely as simple as a matter of choice, or do they also have to do battle with the personalities they're born with? Some people seem wired to be defeatists, while some are such optimists you can't help but cheer them on.

Do we get to choose our personalities or are we born with them? I look at my siblings and I, all of us born into the same familial background, and we are each of us SO different from the other.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:17 pm

    Quoting time2refresh:
    Beats me. I can programme a video recorder though
    And a Copper plating machine.
    And a DCC model railway controller.

    Or maybe I just THINK I can and it's really fate .... doo-de-doo-doo spooky!

    Peter
You were meant to sign up on friendfinder too---and meant to get a Hard Rock Cafe Makati shirt soon.

(Cue Twilight Zone theme)

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:26 pm

    Quoting toneboney:
    What happened to the option... My life is shaped by a Woman???

    Tone.
THAT, mate, is what you call Destiny.

Or karma, if you really think about it.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:27 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    My life is shaped by one of those old plastic jelly molds.

    Currently it's in the shape of a rabbit.
What is it with you Brit blokes living in Spain and your predilection for bunnies? Is it Spanish TV??

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 7:28 pm

Hey!! No bunny jelly mold licking allowed in here!!!

Stop exercising your free will!

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 9:29 pm

    Quoting goodtogo7:
    Hi Ana,

    I think it is a combination of many things. We get blindsided in life when we least expect it, things happen that we have no control over, nature does it's own thing (this year is a good example, I have my heat on today). We do have free will to make choices, but, many times, those choices involve other people and they can change their minds which affects us. So, it comes down to "What do I know???

    I can program a video recorder though.

    Same ole, same ole in my world. I wonder if it is fate or incompetence or both? I will be back and active in the blogs at some point.

    I miss you sweet lady, Ana. You are a wonderful friend

    Hugs

    Love


Sometimes I really wonder what this all means, Flo. What's really out there? For a Christian and a believer in God, I'm trying to reconcile the notion that God granted us free will yet at the same time He knows everything we do. When something happens, we go, "It was God's will," and that makes me think, who's really doing the decision-making round these parts?

I wonder if it's because I'm a Christian that I ask all these?

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 9:36 pm

    Quoting shiva7585:
    I think the sort of "destiny" described by Agnes might be more precisely referred as the cultural and socio-economic circumstances that a person is born into. I definitely agree that these are important factors in a person's life.

    But what I really disagree with is when someone views life through the lens of "predestination." In other words, they believe the course of their existence has already been determined by a Higher Power and that they are simply a helpless vessel going through the motions.

    Of course, your decisions, your circumstances and even dumb luck play in a role in what happens to you. But, in the end, you have to take responsibility and not use the cop-out of it being your "destiny". That's what I believe anyway.
I'm struggling with the notion of pre-destination myself, because in a sense, that makes us nothing more than automatons going through the motions of life.

But I wonder though, when does Destiny come into play in our lives, and how much of our free will is tied up in it? For example, we can not choose when to have children, or what gender child we will have, even though we can try and tweak the process. When I think of us having "free will", most of the time I see it as us choosing how to react to what Life throws our way--but as to what we're dealt with, I think a lot of it is still left to chance, or Fate, if you will.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/15/2008 9:37 pm

    Quoting DirtyDingusMagee:
    I suddenly have the urge to give you a hatful of gummis

    DDM

Ha! Subliminal conditioning always works!

(Look deeeeeeep into my eyessssss...)

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

driverdan
24514 posts 

6/15/2008 10:08 pm

hello mapilgrim

this is a heavy subject and i can only answer for myself here

i believe free will shapes our destiny. its all about choice, we have the choice to be what ever we want to be, with hard work and determination we can achieve our goals.

some chose to do as less as possible and then blame society for there own problems. god gave us free will, i know growing up what was right and what was wrong thanks to my parents me being an adventuress i chose a few things i knew were wrong, but i was ready to accept responsibility for my choices. i do it even now, because i believe when my time comes to meet my maker, it will all be shown to me. then he will ask " why did you chose the way you did?" my answer will be because i knew one day i would be standing in front of you and accepting my judgment

hopefully i have done more good than bad and he will forgive my younger discretion he is a merciful god

god bless you ana and your loved ones keep smiling god loves us all
peace love happiness hugs always
dan


"hopeful romantic, reality keeps me grounded but it can`t stop me from dreaming" ~dan

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 5:21 am

    Quoting driverdan:
    hello mapilgrim

    this is a heavy subject and i can only answer for myself here

    i believe free will shapes our destiny. its all about choice, we have the choice to be what ever we want to be, with hard work and determination we can achieve our goals.

    some chose to do as less as possible and then blame society for there own problems. god gave us free will, i know growing up what was right and what was wrong thanks to my parents me being an adventuress i chose a few things i knew were wrong, but i was ready to accept responsibility for my choices. i do it even now, because i believe when my time comes to meet my maker, it will all be shown to me. then he will ask " why did you chose the way you did?" my answer will be because i knew one day i would be standing in front of you and accepting my judgment

    hopefully i have done more good than bad and he will forgive my younger discretion he is a merciful god

    god bless you ana and your loved ones keep smiling god loves us all
    peace love happiness hugs always
    dan

Hiya Pilgrim Dan--I also believe in free will, in how it shapes our destiny.

Then something like the quake in China happens and I think, how much control do we really have over our lives? Free will seems to take you only so far, then Fate steps in to demonstrate just how fickle it can be, no matter what we do.

I think to myself about how I never had a say in being given a son with special needs, nor did my son have any choice in the matter. Sometimes I see how difficult it can be for him to overcome this, even though you could see how much he wants to--if wanting was as good as being he'd have had this disability under control years ago, but still he struggles.

And then I meet a man whose firstborn has Down's, and whose youngest has Autism, and I wonder again why these things happen. Only thing we can do, we both said, while talking about our children--is to take it one day at a time. That's just as far as our control over our lives go.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 5:21 am

    Quoting stephyme:
    Kabayan another option please.
What other option would you suggest, kabayan?

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 6:46 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    I love the witty repartee in this place
Your place though, is beginning to look like the set for the FF Chainsaw Massacre.

Did you see midnightdaisy wishing she had a cleavage knife in your blog? It's getting so bad, what with Hakim in there too, that I might have to shield myself with Ms. Chiffonade one of these days.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 7:19 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    It's not our fault. It's destiny what done it.

    And I say that of my own free will.

    (Nobody watches Spanish tv, not even the Spanish).
I better tell hubby that. He's been spending days moving the satellite dish hither and yon just so he could get a better reception for TVE. Destiny and cloud cover flouting his darndest efforts for now.

(Men and their gadgets, sigh--and him having just purchased an Asus WiFi radio, too, which eldest now keeps tinkering with to hear Japanese pop songs, when it isn't tuned to the BBC)

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 7:53 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    Yeah, what about that?

    I've started putting plastic over the old posts just to
    prevent them getting splashed in the impending bloodbath.

    (When I said "this place" I was referring to the blogs
    as a whole and not to your own cosy little corner, which
    is, as we know, a haven for measured debate, sophisticated
    humour and merkins.)
Just as I thought -- IS sophisticated humor round these parts. Must practice it so as to elevate myself from the hoi polloi.

(You forgot the D1ck Sticks)

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 8:51 am

    Quoting gowerboy:
    I hate it when my darndest efforts are flouted by cloud cover.
    Destiny I can handle, but cloud cover is just cruel.

    According to quantum physics our lives are mainly shaped by density.
Oh heck, that means if I'm going to sink in a quicksand it'll be my schnoz that'll go under first.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

svsucardinal
1590 posts 

6/16/2008 12:57 pm

MunchkinMatron2,

The lone pesron themself makes all the decisions at the time in which dirction they are heading!

But then again, I really didn't really want to head 200 feet straight down! They said I was dead then gave me 8 hours and if I survived I'd be in wheelchair the rest of my life and unable to think for myself. But I'm here, alive and kicking!

SO WHO IN THE HELL KNOWS.
I believe more in the first statement.

Lee

toneboney
8708 posts 

6/16/2008 3:02 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    It's not our fault. It's destiny what done it.

    And I say that of my own free will.

    (Nobody watches Spanish tv, not even the Spanish).
Nobody???? Am I a real Nobody.???
I watch... TVE1, TVE2, ANTENNA 3, QUATRO, TELECINCO, SEXTO(6), 7 (MURCIA LOCA LA OPINION, MURCIA 1, LATINO, AND TOTANA TV.
Tone.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 3:51 pm

    Quoting svsucardinal:
    MunchkinMatron2,

    The lone pesron themself makes all the decisions at the time in which dirction they are heading!

    But then again, I really didn't really want to head 200 feet straight down! They said I was dead then gave me 8 hours and if I survived I'd be in wheelchair the rest of my life and unable to think for myself. But I'm here, alive and kicking!

    SO WHO IN THE HELL KNOWS.
    I believe more in the first statement.

    Lee
Hi Lee!

I'm in the "so who in the hell knows" frame of mind myself--and was just curious about how people looked at their lives and what happens to them.

You're a survivor, and I say that with awe and respect.

MM

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 3:53 pm

    Quoting msalchemy2:
    I guess, I should have voted before commenting.. darn free will!
I know! The things that darn free will gets us into!

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 3:55 pm

    Quoting toneboney:
    Nobody???? Am I a real Nobody.???
    I watch... TVE1, TVE2, ANTENNA 3, QUATRO, TELECINCO, SEXTO(6), 7 (MURCIA LOCA LA OPINION, MURCIA 1, LATINO, AND TOTANA TV.
    Tone.
Aha, so now we know why you got the bunny thing going on.

Knew it. It WAS Spanish TV that got you this way.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

bellezia
28479 posts 

6/16/2008 6:33 pm

hehehe i don't know i missed placed my lipstick

the most beautiful view
is the one I share with you

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/16/2008 9:12 pm

    Quoting bellezia:
    hehehe i don't know i missed placed my lipstick
Destiny's telling you you need to buy a new one.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

royalpurple
3188 posts 

6/17/2008 1:20 am

I find it hard to vote.
I guess, i believe that our life is partly destiny
and partly free will.


From my heart to yours, Love and Light!

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/17/2008 4:52 am

    Quoting royalpurple:
    I find it hard to vote.
    I guess, i believe that our life is partly destiny
    and partly free will.

What I wonder about is which part is which, though.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/17/2008 5:17 am

    Quoting _Poetdancer_:
    I believe in Destiny ... Karma ... or was it written in the stars

    All I do is go with the flow and hope I don't drown somewhere.

    Thanks for stopping by my corner and leaving one of your famous witty comments

I'll throw you a life vest if you yell.

Thanks for brightening up my little corner of the blogs too, Renee.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

bellezia
28479 posts 

6/17/2008 6:31 am

huhuhuhu not now ubos as in ubos

the most beautiful view
is the one I share with you

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/17/2008 7:20 am

    Quoting bellezia:
    huhuhuhu not now ubos as in ubos
Hay, tuition fees and school supplies no? Same here. I just bought them new school shoes third week of May, ha? Need to change them na, kasi their feet got bigger. Grabe.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/17/2008 5:45 pm

    Quoting Heavenstouch42:
    Nice Hat.....full of what was that ... gummie bears ? lol

    I use my crystal ball... I just don't mind the crack !!!


    Hugsssssss
    Heavens


OMG, whose crack are you not minding??

Did DDM put on plumber pants while we weren't looking??



Huggssssssss!

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/17/2008 5:46 pm

    Quoting gowerboy:
    What do you do in your spare time?
Fluff up his bunny.

Haven't you figured it out by now?

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

gorgeous_asian2
8503 posts 

6/17/2008 8:29 pm

hello tita MM..
i vote for free will.. since i blieve that destiny is not a matter of chance.. it is not a thing tobe waited for. it is a thing to be achieved.. bottom line, you have to work for it to make it happens..

"never view anyone as a priority that views you as an option!”[

bribook
2154 posts 

6/17/2008 9:46 pm

Definitely free will -- which means I've only got myself to blame.

All that destiny stuff is just fodder for sparkly-eyed girls who need a better reason than I can truthfully give.

~ Brian


Stay thirsty, my friends.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/17/2008 9:57 pm

    Quoting gorgeous_asian2:
    hello tita MM..
    i vote for free will.. since i blieve that destiny is not a matter of chance.. it is not a thing tobe waited for. it is a thing to be achieved.. bottom line, you have to work for it to make it happens..
Thanks for the comment, Daph! I do wish more of us Pinoys believe in free will rather than destiny. Sometimes I think it's our fatalism, the "bahala na" philosophy in life, that keeps us stuck in the mess we're in.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/17/2008 10:00 pm

    Quoting bribook:
    Definitely free will -- which means I've only got myself to blame.

    All that destiny stuff is just fodder for sparkly-eyed girls who need a better reason than I can truthfully give.

    ~ Brian

I'm torn between half and half. Some bits are Destiny, I would think (which is why you were born there and I was born here) but a lot of what happens to us are consequences of our own decisions.

And then I start thinking of women who have had no say in how their lives are lived whatsoever and my mind spins off in a whole new direction again.

Thanks for dropping by, Brian.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

fancyfree2006
2307 posts 

6/19/2008 5:48 am

Destiny shapes our lives. What will be will be, it is written and set before we enter this place called earth. Free will can play a small part but to me doesn't shape our life. We are on this earth for 'a reason' and when we have completed that 'reason' we leave. It's all in the Numbers. My belief anyway, but what does that matter. Not much really.

Have a great week Ana

agag_00_back
2518 posts 

6/19/2008 6:14 am

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    Same here--I always did wonder about this. If we have free will, when does it start? We never have the capacity to choose when, where and how we would be born in the first place, so when do we get free will handed to us?
I think concepts like destiny and free will are more relative than absolute to each other. Take the term "free will" as an example, philosophers have bestowed it with very different and contradictory definitions. For instance, the free will in Schopenhauer's interpretation, which he also calls "the thing-in-itself", seems to be ultimately free, but can also be regarded as sort of destiny in a higher scale. I think free will and destiny are interrelated, that is, within destiny, one can enjoy certain degree of free will, and vice versa.

Perhaps it is our being exposed to both western and eastern philosophy that situates us in a more caught-in-between position, Ana.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/19/2008 7:04 am

    Quoting FlashMedic:
    I'm found voting for destiny, I can see how my life has went. Yes it is free will; to make a choice for doors to open. I only know what I know, I can't explain it properly.

    Best regards, clarencio
I'm beginning to see, as the comments go, that we choose based on our own experience--what some people will consider as Destiny shaping their lives (it was Fate I met him/her, etc) others would think it came about because of free will (I chose to take the meeting further).

You explained it quite well. Thanks for popping by, Clarencio.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

perfectK
2142 posts 

6/19/2008 7:05 am

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    Filipinos are great believers in Fatalism, beta. The term "bahala na"[/i} or, loosely translated, meaning, "whatever happens" is deeply ingrained in our psyche, and most of us also believe everything that happens to us is the will of God.

    I don't buy it though. But then it makes me think--which parts of our lives do we really have free will over? Our births and deaths and predestined, and sometimes, no matter what you do, you lose control over how your life goes, as if (as you were saying in your blog) Life is playing you a big cosmic joke.

    I mean, I do have free will, but I still can't program the dang VCR.
lol Ana, i should belive in Fatalism too...See... i know to programate that VCR but is always showin others things that i programate it .
And what a free will? put a bosche ballen in front of me and banggggggggg there is no free will anymore just a hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee willlllll
And when i sweared i wont get a bit of chocolate at all this summer was also my free will...
Life is unpredictable....
Where the heck is that remote control?

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/19/2008 7:08 am

    Quoting _Poetdancer_:
    Hi Ana

    Thanks for the life vest ... will let you know when I need it


    You are so right in saying that we do not 'always' have control of our life. We cannot choose what gender our child should be. We cannot always determine what makes us marry the person we did, or why we had to divorce the person. I think it was destiny that I ended up in S'pore, when I could have stayed in the US or UK or ... I never thought I would stay here so long. But destiny designed it for me, because Lady Destiny knew what was best for me
Sometimes I wonder if the control we think we have over our lives is nothing but an illusion, Renee. Things happen that we can't quite explain, and as you say, we find ourselves in situations we never would have thought we'd be in in the first place.

I guess we'll never really know.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/19/2008 7:26 am

    Quoting fancyfree2006:
    Destiny shapes our lives. What will be will be, it is written and set before we enter this place called earth. Free will can play a small part but to me doesn't shape our life. We are on this earth for 'a reason' and when we have completed that 'reason' we leave. It's all in the Numbers. My belief anyway, but what does that matter. Not much really.

    Have a great week Ana
I haven't fully bought into the Destiny bit myself--the notion of not having any control over how my life is going is something I'm not comfortable with, which is strange considering that we Filipinos have Fatalism down to an art. But then, as you do say yourself, I'm not a typical Filipina.

Have a great week too, Nat--missing you on IM--we can't seem to synchronize our scheds, but it's OK, I know you're busy with some huffin' and puffin' with the Big Bad Wolf.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/19/2008 7:29 am

    Quoting agag_00_back:
    I think concepts like destiny and free will are more relative than absolute to each other. Take the term "free will" as an example, philosophers have bestowed it with very different and contradictory definitions. For instance, the free will in Schopenhauer's interpretation, which he also calls "the thing-in-itself", seems to be ultimately free, but can also be regarded as sort of destiny in a higher scale. I think free will and destiny are interrelated, that is, within destiny, one can enjoy certain degree of free will, and vice versa.

    Perhaps it is our being exposed to both western and eastern philosophy that situates us in a more caught-in-between position, Ana.
I'm reading this book, Quicksilver, wherein one of the characters explains that he believes the notion of God being omniscient and us having free will are two concepts that can co-exist. He elaborates that while God may know what will happen to us, He will not interfere in the decisions we've made to make things happen the way they will.

And yes, I'm in a caught-in-between situation myself. I like your notion of free will and destiny being relative rather than absolutes.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/19/2008 8:48 am

    Quoting perfectK:
    lol Ana, i should belive in Fatalism too...See... i know to programate that VCR but is always showin others things that i programate it .
    And what a free will? put a bosche ballen in front of me and banggggggggg there is no free will anymore just a hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee willlllll
    And when i sweared i wont get a bit of chocolate at all this summer was also my free will...
    Life is unpredictable....
    Where the heck is that remote control?

Bet you delricardo has that remote control inside his frying pan. You know how devious these men can get...

I do believe in free will, still. Which is why I shall make a conscious choice to have some chocolate now.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

driverdan
24514 posts 

6/19/2008 12:12 pm

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    Hiya Pilgrim Dan--I also believe in free will, in how it shapes our destiny.

    Then something like the quake in China happens and I think, how much control do we really have over our lives? Free will seems to take you only so far, then Fate steps in to demonstrate just how fickle it can be, no matter what we do.

    I think to myself about how I never had a say in being given a son with special needs, nor did my son have any choice in the matter. Sometimes I see how difficult it can be for him to overcome this, even though you could see how much he wants to--if wanting was as good as being he'd have had this disability under control years ago, but still he struggles.

    And then I meet a man whose firstborn has Down's, and whose youngest has Autism, and I wonder again why these things happen. Only thing we can do, we both said, while talking about our children--is to take it one day at a time. That's just as far as our control over our lives go.
hello mapilgrim
thoughts that come from my heart ana
( just my belief is all)

when we live as we do,.. we have a choice. god gave special people special children. children are angels that come into our lives. we are given the chance to take care of them and god picks who gets these special children .. it takes a special person to handle all that comes with this angel from god.

some cant handle it and some can,... if we are given this child, i think god has his reasons. i don't question god,... but i do question man because man is just man, they can and do make mistakes.

you have a wonderful heart ana with a glowing personality. its fun to share thoughts with you on so many levels god bless you and all you love,.. big big hugs mapilgrim peace love happiness always

p.s. god is my savior and he does know, i am a hard person to lose my faith in him.(with out him i am nothing) he also knows i am human and i do on occasion miss a step and let loose

he knows we are all still being taught by his lessons. of course these are just my interpretation of what i see in life. ( shaped by personal experiences) he spared my life more than a few times

huggies again dear ana

dan



"hopeful romantic, reality keeps me grounded but it can`t stop me from dreaming" ~dan

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/19/2008 4:00 pm

    Quoting driverdan:
    hello mapilgrim
    thoughts that come from my heart ana
    ( just my belief is all)

    when we live as we do,.. we have a choice. god gave special people special children. children are angels that come into our lives. we are given the chance to take care of them and god picks who gets these special children .. it takes a special person to handle all that comes with this angel from god.

    some cant handle it and some can,... if we are given this child, i think god has his reasons. i don't question god,... but i do question man because man is just man, they can and do make mistakes.

    you have a wonderful heart ana with a glowing personality. its fun to share thoughts with you on so many levels god bless you and all you love,.. big big hugs mapilgrim peace love happiness always

    p.s. god is my savior and he does know, i am a hard person to lose my faith in him.(with out him i am nothing) he also knows i am human and i do on occasion miss a step and let loose

    he knows we are all still being taught by his lessons. of course these are just my interpretation of what i see in life. ( shaped by personal experiences) he spared my life more than a few times

    huggies again dear ana

    dan


Ah Dan, your faith is a thing of beauty and joy to behold.

Far is a lucky, lucky woman.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

4ever_fun
3748 posts 

6/19/2008 4:04 pm

Hmmmm....free will/destiny/who really knows. I, being a believer in God's redemption, believe that accepting the gift of the Passion, I have a destination....that destination is heaven...the rest of what happens here on earth...that is shaped by my free will and what I do with it. I do not even pretend to half understand it Ana, I just know that my faith has brought me through a tremendous amount of heartbreak. If a loving God does know all things then why do we have to suffer so? I am beginning to see that when we survive a trial we have opportunities to share with others how we did that. I don't believe the destiny angle is or should be our focus, but instead the influence we have in our and other peoples lives by choosing well.

urg...did any of that make any sense? Excellent post btw...I love that I can laugh, cry and stew about important stuff when I come and visit you here.

Good things come to those who wait; remember to live while you do the waiting!!

~*Michelle*~

goodtogo7
1749 posts 

6/19/2008 8:46 pm

Hi ana,

I felt like getting on line and checking out the blogs to see what my friends are doing. I hope all is well with you. Not much new in my world yet, but I am still hopeful.

I know how much you like red, so I brought you a Rose, special lady
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Hugs and Love

Flo

Every survival kit should include sense of humor

debutanteBaltimr
18052 posts 

6/20/2008 1:13 pm

..and a lot of LUCK! (mostly BAD in my case. )

I could say some nice things about your hair but would it really matter?

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/20/2008 5:39 pm

    Quoting 4ever_fun:
    Hmmmm....free will/destiny/who really knows. I, being a believer in God's redemption, believe that accepting the gift of the Passion, I have a destination....that destination is heaven...the rest of what happens here on earth...that is shaped by my free will and what I do with it. I do not even pretend to half understand it Ana, I just know that my faith has brought me through a tremendous amount of heartbreak. If a loving God does know all things then why do we have to suffer so? I am beginning to see that when we survive a trial we have opportunities to share with others how we did that. I don't believe the destiny angle is or should be our focus, but instead the influence we have in our and other peoples lives by choosing well.

    urg...did any of that make any sense? Excellent post btw...I love that I can laugh, cry and stew about important stuff when I come and visit you here.
I don't understand it all either myself, Chelle. I put up this poll because I was curious about what other people thought about the whole thing, which is one I haven't even figured out myself. The responses have been enlightening, to say the least.

And yes, you do make sense. You always do.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/20/2008 5:43 pm

    Quoting goodtogo7:
    Hi ana,

    I felt like getting on line and checking out the blogs to see what my friends are doing. I hope all is well with you. Not much new in my world yet, but I am still hopeful.

    I know how much you like red, so I brought you a Rose, special lady
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    Hugs and Love

    Flo
Dearest Flo, how are you feeling? I haven't been getting much online myself because school has started for both my boys and I'm helping them cope with daily homework.

I shall stay hopeful for you, too, and will keep praying for your good health.

Thank you so much for such a thoughtful gesture. I do love red.

Hugs and much love too!

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/20/2008 5:44 pm

    Quoting supaar2:
    Hi Munch, my mind is the ancestor to most of my actions. Free will of course
Hey Michael, thanks for dropping by and sharing your thoughts!

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/20/2008 5:47 pm

    Quoting Poetdancer_:
    I have no choice
    it's all written down for me
Hiya Renee! I'm beginning to suspect (though I may be quite wrong) that people who believe their life is pre-destined and accept that it is so, go through it much more calmly than people who believe in free will, simply because they are more accepting of things that happen in their lives as they believe everything is already, as you say, written down.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/20/2008 5:48 pm

Ah, but look on the bright side, Balty--a lot of people love you here.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

Jimy1H
1912 posts 

6/20/2008 6:29 pm

Destiny and fate may effect day to day events, but How we react to them is our free will. We do have a lot of control over much of our lives.

I am always happy now. I simply will not give up any of my precious time to being miserable.

I hope you and the family are all well. Take care.

His Imperial Majesty,
The Crowned Prince of Joy,
The best, and always right,
Jimy

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/20/2008 7:28 pm

    Quoting Jimy1H:
    Destiny and fate may effect day to day events, but How we react to them is our free will. We do have a lot of control over much of our lives.

    I am always happy now. I simply will not give up any of my precious time to being miserable.

    I hope you and the family are all well. Take care.
Sometimes I wonder if even our choices are pre-destined, but I don't think we'll ever know. That said, life is really what we make of it, isn't it?

Good to see you happy nowadays, Jimy. Family's well and good here, too.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

midnight_daisy
2234 posts 

6/20/2008 7:36 pm

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    Your place though, is beginning to look like the set for the FF Chainsaw Massacre.

    Did you see midnightdaisy wishing she had a cleavage knife in your blog? It's getting so bad, what with Hakim in there too, that I might have to shield myself with Ms. Chiffonade one of these days.
1) He started it.

2) I want a Wii almost immediately. To the point I'd rather buy one of those than a golden ball.

3) I've gotten behind on this blog with the pregnant Tony-Bologna one and missed all the fun!

3.4) I love to make lists.

Cheers!

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/20/2008 8:03 pm

    Quoting midnight_daisy:
    1) He started it.

    2) I want a Wii almost immediately. To the point I'd rather buy one of those than a golden ball.

    3) I've gotten behind on this blog with the pregnant Tony-Bologna one and missed all the fun!

    3.4) I love to make lists.
Which do you like better, making lists or using parentheses?

We've got a Wii, not that I can go anywhere near it, particularly now that hubby bought the boys the Star Wars Lego Version for the Wii. I miss playing Cooking Mama. I am plotting to take it hostage when the Wii Fit platform becomes available here in Manila, and locking myself in my bedroom with it.

Can you picture Tony-Bologna doing Lamaze? I can almost hear gower going "Push!! Push!!" behind him with his Welsh accent.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

midnight_daisy
2234 posts 

6/21/2008 6:46 am

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    Which do you like better, making lists or using parentheses?

    We've got a Wii, not that I can go anywhere near it, particularly now that hubby bought the boys the Star Wars Lego Version for the Wii. I miss playing Cooking Mama. I am plotting to take it hostage when the Wii Fit platform becomes available here in Manila, and locking myself in my bedroom with it.

    Can you picture Tony-Bologna doing Lamaze? I can almost hear gower going "Push!! Push!!" behind him with his Welsh accent.
That Welsh accent is hard for me to imagine, so the imagery you just put in my head made me pause for a bit. By "bit" I mean a very long moment that only ended because I started to shake myself out of it with chuckles.

My sum total of experience in hearing a Welsh accent is from Rhys Ifans in The Replacements where he wanders about smoking cigarettes and saying "I'm wiry." So that's pretty much how I imagine Gower. But IF Tony-Bologna is NOT faking for the attention (which is VERY Grey's Anatomy) then I figure prudence dictates he have a Cesarean like I did. I shudder to think of him going all natural and thus being more of a woman than I am.

(Lists IN parenthesis. Now life is REALLY good.)

Cheers!

midnight_daisy
2234 posts 

6/21/2008 6:47 am

Wait. Cooking Mama?

Haha. That's awesome.

Cheers!

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/21/2008 10:11 am

    Quoting midnight_daisy:
    That Welsh accent is hard for me to imagine, so the imagery you just put in my head made me pause for a bit. By "bit" I mean a very long moment that only ended because I started to shake myself out of it with chuckles.

    My sum total of experience in hearing a Welsh accent is from Rhys Ifans in The Replacements where he wanders about smoking cigarettes and saying "I'm wiry." So that's pretty much how I imagine Gower. But IF Tony-Bologna is NOT faking for the attention (which is VERY Grey's Anatomy) then I figure prudence dictates he have a Cesarean like I did. I shudder to think of him going all natural and thus being more of a woman than I am.

    (Lists IN parenthesis. Now life is REALLY good.)
I shudder to think of his bellybutton popping out all over the place, too.

Yeesh, now I really am shuddering about it.

*shuddershuddershuddershuddershudder*

We've got to get gower to say, "I'm wiry."

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/21/2008 10:13 am

Youngest actually insisted he be allowed to help out in the kitchen, on account of his perfect slice and dice score in Cooking Mama.

I can't wait to hear the things your little jewel will come up with when she finally learns to talk.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

flamekeeper
3075 posts 

6/23/2008 11:06 am

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    So you don't think Fate played any role whatsoever in the life you have now?
I don't believe in fate at all.
Maybe it's because of my love for theoretical physics but I believe in multiple possibilities. The future is not set like a stone in a ring. It's like a river whose course can be influenced by a huge boulder rolling into it, or an earthquake, or a drought, or erosion, or whatever can influence a river....
My previous comment is missing a considerable part of what I originally wrote must have highlighted and lost it without noticing.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/23/2008 6:34 pm

    Quoting flamekeeper:
    I don't believe in fate at all.
    Maybe it's because of my love for theoretical physics but I believe in multiple possibilities. The future is not set like a stone in a ring. It's like a river whose course can be influenced by a huge boulder rolling into it, or an earthquake, or a drought, or erosion, or whatever can influence a river....
    My previous comment is missing a considerable part of what I originally wrote must have highlighted and lost it without noticing.
Aaaah, ok--light dawns on me now.

I like how you view the future. Now I think of the effects our action triggers, like a stone thrown into the water, with the ripples reaching further than we ever thought they would.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/24/2008 10:19 pm

    Quoting Sir_T:
    I think our free will determines whether we are destined to be able to program a DVD player.

    Sorry, it's a political year and I'm getting used to hearing people agree to every side of an issue while retaining plausible deny ability.

    Altho my real answer is similar. I do believe we have the free will to determine our destiny. I.E. When one takes a path one can't hit rewind and start over but one can make a turn or two.

    That probably makes no sense. It was a long hot day.
You know, that's an interesting take, saying we have free will to determine our destiny--makes me wonder if even the exercise of our free will has an element of predestination to it in the first place?

Gah, I think I just pulled a nerve thinking. I need a cold drink, too--want some iced tea?

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

6/27/2008 9:27 am

    Quoting Heavenstouch42:
    OMG !!!!!!! The was DDM's crack ?????? Ya know .. they look the same after a while .... lol

    Hugssssssssss
    Heaveans

They do, don't they? Except maybe for a bit more or less hair.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

Flibberdigibit
1251 posts 

7/17/2008 1:21 am

I believe in destiny, free will and fate

All of us destined to die one day but how and when, we do not know.

Free will plays big part of our lives that determined most of our destinies as well it splits human being and animals. animals posses only knowledge but we’re human have both knowledge and understanding. Karma for me means if one do good things he will gain rewards in unexpected form.

Fate is something unavoidable.. such us, one study hard but still fail in the exam, being born in hard family, came from war zone etc… at the end it’s depends on the individual to turn the sequence of situations to something better or make it a stepping stone to move further stronger or waste of ones life being a sort of self-pity person and achieved nothing much or nothing at all.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

7/17/2008 3:34 pm

    Quoting Flibberdigibit:
    I believe in destiny, free will and fate

    All of us destined to die one day but how and when, we do not know.

    Free will plays big part of our lives that determined most of our destinies as well it splits human being and animals. animals posses only knowledge but we’re human have both knowledge and understanding. Karma for me means if one do good things he will gain rewards in unexpected form.

    Fate is something unavoidable.. such us, one study hard but still fail in the exam, being born in hard family, came from war zone etc… at the end it’s depends on the individual to turn the sequence of situations to something better or make it a stepping stone to move further stronger or waste of ones life being a sort of self-pity person and achieved nothing much or nothing at all.
Sometimes I wonder if an individual's personality, the way he or she responds to adversity in his/her life, is something destined, as well? Like some people can't help but be worrywarts, while other can be cool even under pressure.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

fingers52
5 posts 

7/19/2008 7:22 am

roses are red violets are blue
if it wasn't for freedom of choice how could I
make friends with a beauty like u
fingers58

L Brown

Flibberdigibit
1251 posts 

7/20/2008 1:49 am

    Quoting MunchkinMatron2:
    Sometimes I wonder if an individual's personality, the way he or she responds to adversity in his/her life, is something destined, as well? Like some people can't help but be worrywarts, while other can be cool even under pressure.
Nope, at least I don't think so but again it has to do with ones personal choices. Many people can easily fake their personality to suit their situation/environment. The true good character will develop and prosper with us. I can take pressure but can’t be cool and pretend everything is alright if someone closed to me is not OK but at the end of the day all I have to do is to be patient and always keep in mind that we can’t control everything in life. Just my humble opinion MM.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

7/20/2008 6:15 pm

    Quoting fingers52:
    roses are red violets are blue
    if it wasn't for freedom of choice how could I
    make friends with a beauty like u
    fingers58
Thanks for dropping by!

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

MunchkinMatron2
13333 posts 

7/20/2008 6:18 pm

    Quoting Flibberdigibit:
    Nope, at least I don't think so but again it has to do with ones personal choices. Many people can easily fake their personality to suit their situation/environment. The true good character will develop and prosper with us. I can take pressure but can’t be cool and pretend everything is alright if someone closed to me is not OK but at the end of the day all I have to do is to be patient and always keep in mind that we can’t control everything in life. Just my humble opinion MM.
Hey, flib--your opinion is always valued here!

You know, now that I'm looking at the votes, I'm wondering (again!) how much our personality has anything to do with whether we believe we have free will or we're shaped by destiny. I think the go-getters are more believers of free will, and the easier going personalities the ones who believe in destiny. I may be wrong though.

I'm dyslexic. I scream Ho Dog instead of Oh God in the throes of passion.

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